Log of OOC Meeting 21 August 2021

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Discord Handle: Xolorion#1100

Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:53 pm

Kinaed claims, "A reminder of the OOC Chat Pact: Regardless of what we discuss, we understand and truly believe that everyone on TI does the best they can, given what they know at the time, their skills and abilities, the resources available, and the situation at hand. We will be respectful of this and each other at all times."

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Kinaed states, "Today's Agenda is:

- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics

Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today? If you register a topic, please pre-write it so you're ready to present it when called upon."

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Xolorion's arm itches uncontrollably for a moment.

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Sparkles states, "I have a topic if there's a moment."

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Kinaed claims to Sparkles, "Got you :)"

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Kinaed questions, "Anyone else have a topic they want to raise?"

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Smoke puffs and Ghed steps out from it. [OOC]

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Kinaed listens to the crickets, so gets on with it.

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Kinaed exclaims, "If you think of something, please send me a tell to get on the roster. In the meantime... staff updates!"

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Kinaed claims, "Last week I handled a couple of policy cases - you would see that a player was banned. Very sorry about that, folks. If you need some wrap-up to the RP, please let staff know. "

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Kinaed says, "I also ran a Murder Mystery Dinner."

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Dreams says, "I am so sad I had to miss that."

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Kinaed claims, "Sadly I think I used the bulk of the pbase to be characters rather than mystery solvers, so that was a lesson learned for the next one."

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Temi says, "Knife is in honor of the murder mystery dinner."

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Temi grins.

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Kinaed exclaims to Dreams, "Not a worry. We did have 3 participants!"

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Dreams states, "Three is good. Fifteen would have been awesome. :-p Next time, hopefully."

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Kinaed claims, "And anyway, I had a lot of fun with it."

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Kinaed nods at Dreams.

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say The murder mystery was fantastic, a lot of complexity to it. I had fun as an actor.

Xolorion claims, "The murder mystery was fantastic, a lot of complexity to it. I had fun as an actor."

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Kinaed states, "So I'm curious about how many people who heard about it and/or participated in it would be interested in doing another one if I can manage the schedule a bit better so that it's staff doing the play and players participating."

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Kinaed says to Xolorion, "I'm so glad to hear that :)"

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Kinaed states, "I feel like I could write another one relatively easily."

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say I'd be up for another one!

Xolorion pontificates, "I'd be up for another one!"

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Dreams states, "I'd like the opportunity to participate."

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Kinaed smiles at Xolorion.

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Ulvor claims, "I had heard about it, but wasn't able to make it. Would love to participate in another, schedule permitting."

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Jasmine states, "I didn't manage to make it but I heard it was fun"

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Kinaed says, "Okay, great. My next plot won't be for some months, but I might have a look at doing another when I can have more staff support."

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Kinaed nods.

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Kinaed claims, "Okay, that's my update. The next thing i'm working on - digging up some old files for our programmers who have started to make inroads into the setup required for dual guilding."

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Kinaed claims, "It's a ways off, but I'm excited with their progress. But I need to go dig up specifications on old machines that have long since kicked the bucket"

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Kinaed wonders, "And that's all for me. Temi, mind going next?"

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Temi claims, "I've been working on figuring out how to extend chandlery, and I think I have some plans people will like. Enough to make it a full craft without too many big gaps. The new crafts this week (and for next week, since I'll be gone) are the first step of that - liquid perfumes added for the current top level perfumes. I also want to add some new scents, and I've requested some help on that on the forums, if you are interested. If I can't find any help, might just take me a bit longer to get through them all."

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Kinaed smiles.

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Temi says, "I also started on a new skill mini quest, but I wasn't able to get it done before the meeting. It will be for ride, though, and I'll finish it up today or tomorrow."

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Kinaed smiles.

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Temi nods at Kinaed.

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Kinaed claims to Temi, "Thanks for that :)"

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Dreams claims, "Ooooooooh, for ride."

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Kinaed claims, "Ghed looks like he might be afk. I've been keeping half an ear to the ground though, because I know he's been hard at work with his plot."

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Kinaed states, "But alas, I don't know the particulars."

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Kinaed states, "Okay, if Ghed comes back, I'll ask him to update. Besides that, I believe I've seen Leta's fingertips on a lot of requests, and Eos may be scarce for a bit due to irl stuff."

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Temi claims, "I've heard a lot of excitement on the famine plot, so hopefully people are enjoying all the aspects of it."

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Temi nods.

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Kinaed nods at Temi.

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Kinaed states, "And Salem is working on the aforementioned roles/dual guilding stuff."

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Temi nods in agreement.

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Particles of light coalesce to form Leta. [OOC]

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Leta waves.

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Temi declares, "Ooh, there's a Leta!"

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Kinaed questions, "Okay, so that's it for staff updates. Next is Player Heartbeat - how has the game been for you this week, folks?"

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Kinaed questions to Leta, "Oh, hey :) Want to write up your update and we'll sneak it in a bit later?"

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Leta has lost link.
Leta has reconnected.

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Leta says, "Drat."

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Ghed says, "I am back, so sorry"

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Kinaed claims to Ghed, "Not a worry."

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say Been having some interesting things going on between the murder mystery and the council meeting(s)! Unfortunately half my guild just got BBQ'd, banned, or both, so if anyone else feels like rolling a bard we'd love to have you :)

Xolorion declares, "Been having some interesting things going on between the murder mystery and the council meeting(s)! Unfortunately half my guild just got BBQ'd, banned, or both, so if anyone else feels like rolling a bard we'd love to have you :)"

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Jasmine states, "Lots of good RP of all of my characters, adjusting to a new work schedule so been a bit scarce but hoping to get some trouble started"

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Kinaed claims, "Oh dear, sounds spicy. Hope the RP around it was good."

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Kinaed nods at Jasmine.

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Kinaed states to Jasmine, "It's good to see you around :)"

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Tasker states, "THE ONLY GOOD BARD IS A DEAD BARD"

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Kinaed questions, "Anyone else have anything to share?"

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Jasmine claims, "Correction, dead bard, or a bard in your bed *wink*"

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Kinaed claims to Tasker, "Tsk. I know you're joking, but let's play nice :)"

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Sparkles states, "I've had some interesting RP this week. Thanks to everyone who came to the Council meeting earlier."

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Ezra is idle.

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Kinaed smiles at Sparkles.

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Kinaed asks, "Anything shitting anyone that isn't a topic, but Staff probably ought to know about it?"

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Kinaed asks of Ghed, "Did you want to give your update?"

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Ghed pontificates, "I do!"

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Ezra is no longer idle.
Ezra has returned from AFK.

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Ghed states, "Alright, so. Hard at work with the hunger plot. Two new minigames, one of which you weirdos completely resolved in like 36 hours. I am seeing a LOT of involvement in the plot from all walks of life, which makes me very happy."

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Ghed states, "Other than that, I've been working with Leta on requests, recommends, and even a little puppeting here and there."

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Kinaed smiles.

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Deedee says, "Haha"

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Dreams never claimed to be normal.

Ghed claims, "Salem and Eos are work freaks, hands down to them"

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who

Kinaed states, "That's great to hear too. I think it speaks to how well constructed the plot is that everyone from 'all walks of life' can get involved, so thank you for that foresight."

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Kinaed wonders to Leta, "Would you mind giving us your update, Leta? :)"

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Leta nods.

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Leta exclaims, "I helped Ghed with requests, recommends, and puppeting for his plot. Thank you those of you who were my guinea pigs as I built my first phomes without Ghed's supervision!"

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Kinaed cheers for Leta.
Kinaed claims to Leta, "Glad you're getting into the swing of things."

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Leta claims, "I am also working on helpfile edits. If there are helpfiles you find unclear, please let me know so I can add them to my list."

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Leta grins.

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Kinaed claims, "Okay, I'm gathering it's time to move onto Player Topics :)"

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Kinaed queries to Sparkles, "Please introduce us to your topic? :)"

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Sparkles states, "So ... I know this is a potentially controversial topic, and I know that it's been brought up a number of times without a real tangible decision. However, the current banning is not the first iteration of this issue that has occurred during my play time. And the last time as well it involved someone with a shocking amount of alts all in one Guild."

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Kinaed has transferred Violet. [OOC]

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Temi gives a stylish eating knife, its hilt wrapped with a puzzle knot to Violet.

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Kinaed listens.

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Sparkles questions, "Sometimes without the knowledge of the GLs in question. So I'd like to discuss two different thoughts. One - if you are going to have more than one alt in a Guild should you need to disclose that? "

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Dreams claims, "I kind of think there's no real reason to have multiple alts in the same guild."

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Violet claims, "Idk if people should be allowed to have multiple alts in a single guild, tbh. I think its sus"

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Kinaed claims, "For some reason, I thought we had a policy that people should only have one character in a guild. I know it's not code enforced though."

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Violet states, "Oh same as Dreams"

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Tasker says, "Having alts in the same guild sounds a bit stupid, honestly, what would be the point? Crossover minefield. In the merchants it's different because there's a bunch of crafts and it easy not to cross the streams - but other guilds, not so much."

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Temi says, "We've discussed it before, but I think we decided not to forbid it, if they could keep things separate"

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Sparkles claims, "The only one I can kind of imagine is the Merchants if you want to have two entirely different crafts given ... crafter shortage at times."

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say Well there's no way of knowing who has which alts so there's a limited ability for players to report this sort of thing.

Xolorion says, "Well there's no way of knowing who has which alts so there's a limited ability for players to report this sort of thing."

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Dreams trails off, "As far as I remember, it was decided to not block it. But, honestly, like Tasker says..."

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Violet claims, "Even Merchants I feel it's sketch. We collaborate so much, share resources, host the same events all together... it's just asking for crossover."

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Dreams says, "Not crossing over is huge."

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Temi claims, "I think when we discussed it before, the merchants argument was a big one, or the different branches of the Order, like a priest and a Knight"

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Kinaed nods.

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Kinaed wonders, "So in general is the consensus that people shouldn't have multiple characters in a guild? I'm perfectly happy to say not to that, but I wonder if w have anyone that w kno will be impacted?"

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Kinaed claims, "If we have anyone we know will be impacted, I'd be inclined to grandfather them in."

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Kinaed states, "I can put up a poll to confirm that's the playerbase consensus."

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Temi claims, "I don't recall seeing much of it recently, besides the banned player"

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Dreams says, "I don't think it's much of a common practice."

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Violet states, "It does kinda feel like it's a red flag that shows up in bad players who eventually get banned"

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Kinaed states, "We did have a few players who would do it in the past though."

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Kinaed nods at Violet.

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Kinaed says, "I think the appropriate action here would be to poll the pbase."

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Jasmine says, "Late but I really can't think of an easy way to have 2 characters in the sale guild without wild amounts of alt crossover"

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Kinaed says, "If we get a consensus of preference not to allow it, we'll ban it with a policy and grandfather in anyone who is currently in a guild with multiple alts."

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Dreams states, "I could see it maybe if the pbase were larger. But, it's small. There's almost no way to avoid your own character if both are in the same guild."

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Jasmine says, "Except MAYBE merchants, but most merchants tend to just take all the skills they're interested in"

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Kinaed nods at Dreams.

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Kinaed states, "I don't think Merchants should have an exception, even if they're the only one we can see a reason for."

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Ghed tells you, "Right. How much are you paying for the flour, do you remember?"

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Sparkles claims, "The second related piece of my thought perhaps more controversial would be ... should we start locking/opening up alt slots with QP or some other factor? Because this is the second time a brand new player has made a lot of characters in a very short span and got them involved across the grid in problematic ways to then need to address. "

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Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

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Kinaed claims, "I think that'd be nice, actually, BUT"

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Kinaed says, "We don't have the capacity for that code change at the moment, and so I'd probably park it as a later discussion because it is, as you say, potentially controvesial AND we can't do much at the moment with our current priorities being getting the code refactored."

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Kinaed says, "Any other views or anything people want to discuss? I mean, I'm happy to have the discussion, it's just that we can't do anything about it atm."

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Jasmine says, "I don't feel like it's unreasonable to put a cap on alts, but also it's just plain hard to keep up with enough alts to bother capping"

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Dreams says, "I think that would lead further into the controversy of "older players get more perks, newer players will never catch up"."

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Kinaed nods at Jasmine.

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Kinaed says to Jasmine, "Right now, we do have a cap on alts, but it's huge."

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Kinaed says, "It's currently capped at 10"

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Jasmine claims, "I have 3 characters and essentially only can manage 2 so they're the only ones I play"

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Violet states, "I'm not opposed to having a cap on-grid alts I think, but it should be a hard cap, however, not a QP-unlocking thing"

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Kinaed nods at Violet.

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Violet states, "We shouldn't widen the gap between older and newer players imo"

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Temi nods.

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Deedee says, "Some people are better at playing multiples than others"

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say I think considering how low the population is, a hard cap on alts could be beneficial anyway.

Xolorion states, "I think considering how low the population is, a hard cap on alts could be beneficial anyway."

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Temi states, "It depends on the type of characters too."

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Deedee nods.

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Kinaed nods at Deedee.

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Deedee states, "I'm personally fine with there being alts in a single guild- as long as none of them are GLs"

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Kinaed claims, "I tend to think that fewer alts makes for a better play experience, but different people like different things, IMHo."

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Ulvor claims, "Would it be possible to simply keep you from running multiple cyans at one time? That would at least force you to invest in each character before making another."

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say That is something that would impact new players more than experienced ones.

Xolorion claims, "That is something that would impact new players more than experienced ones. "

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Temi claims, "Sometimes characters don't quite work out when you're initially trying them. I could see maybe setting one aside until later and starting another new one instead"

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Deedee nods.

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Violet trails off, "I personally have like... two cyans sitting in chargen that I rolled but haven't settled on a concept for yet"

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Violet says, "Wouldn't be nice to be penalized for that"

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Dreams says, "I tend to roll when I think of a great name, and then let it sit there until I decide what to do with it."

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Ulvor states, "Yeah that's true. I'm still relatively new, the thought of running any alts at all feels like a lot for me, lol. But I could see wanting to try out new things if you've been established for awhile."

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Temi states, "I think most alt behavior is good, and only occasionally an issue, so I'm less interested in limiting it too heavily."

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Kinaed trails off, "Okay in the interests of time... we have another topic :)"

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Kinaed queries to Jasmine, "Would you mind introducing us to your topic?"

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Kinaed says, "Also, I put a poll up on the forums for all players to participate and share their views."

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Jasmine states, "This is just a minor thing, and the main trouble-maker MIGHT be the banned player, but I just wanted to bring up that recently, I've seen a big increase in very young characters who are written and played in ways that are flirtatious and sometimes sexual, either subtly or overtly. I'd like to just bring up that even though theme says that 16 is an adult, that doesn't magically make your character NOT a teenager, they just have adult responsibilities and expectations. Some people are not comfortable rolplaying romance or sexual relationships with underaged characters, regardless of their legal adult status."

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Kinaed claims, "Staff actually had a discussion about this quite recently. Like, today in fact."

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Leta nods.

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Kinaed claims, "For clarity, the age of consent on TI is 16, which is broadly speaking the age of consent across most of the United States (where our main pbase is)."

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Kinaed states, "There are a few things that we discussed."

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Kinaed says, "The first is that we do agree and intend to raise the age of consent from 16 to 18, so expect an IC announcement from the King and some help file updates."

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Edgar states, "Wonderful news."

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Kinaed says, "Beyond that, players SHOULD be able to silently check the consent status of a character they're RPing with using consent commands. Please remember they're mandatory if you're RPing sexual RP beyond flirting."

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Deedee wonders, "How would that affect characters already married at 16?"

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Dreams claims, "I... thank you. Honestly. Fourteen year olds looking for husbands, and sixteen year olds looking for husbands and being all eye-fluttery has always made me very uncomfortable."

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Jasmine says, "I admit that really does make me feel better about it"

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Jasmine claims, "Even though it's 'themely' I can never get it out of my head that its most likely a full adult on the other side of the screen RPing it out and even participating in that makes me feel very uncomfortable"

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Kinaed states, "Now, with regards to 14 year olds looking for husbands - depending on how that's handled, that's not necessarily a problem if it's a betrothal situation which is entirely contractual, non-sexual, and handled by adults. "

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say I think it is a good move, regardless of expectations in a historical medieval culture, I think there are some situations where it's better to lean towards modern law to avoid that yikes factor.

Xolorion says, "I think it is a good move, regardless of expectations in a historical medieval culture, I think there are some situations where it's better to lean towards modern law to avoid that yikes factor."

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Kinaed states, "With regards to the specific instances of an underage character flirting, etc, that WAS related to the player that recently got banned, and we DID have a policy case about her where we IDD intercede and tell her off about it."

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Temi states, "We were talking about making it an IC thing, however, so there would be an announcement and going forwards"

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Temi says, "No problems for people already married"

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Jasmine says, "Full offense intended, I don't want TI to become a safe place for pedophiles"

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Deedee nods.

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Kinaed states, "That particular issue wasn't why she was banned, however, as we received no further complaints on the topic and the initial complaint we got was that she'd walked an alt into the Slippery Dolphin and was told to leave, and did leave."

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Dreams states, "Yes, that. I'm sorry, but... even the situation described with the 14 year old, it still feels very... "Here, we'll set aside this very young thing just for you, old man.""

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say Yikes.

Xolorion claims, "Yikes."

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Kinaed states to Dreams, "A betrothal between two families for nobles when both the kids were young is not at all related to modern marriage, is a contractual unification of titles and families, and has no romantic contact between the parties at all before they're married at the age of consent."

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Edgar states, "They had also brought two younger alts to the Order for... sexually frustrated related RP. It wasn't overt, but it was enough to make people uncomfortable."

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Kinaed says, "To me, that's not remotely a problem."

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Kinaed claims, "And that also wasn't the banned player to my knowledge."

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Dreams claims, "I'm not talking a particular player, I'm talking a situation. But, I'll stop."

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Violet says to Edgar, "Bleh"

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Kinaed claims, "If I'm speaking about something being taken to be different to the banned player - I was not aware of other underage sexual RP in that particular player's wheelhouse."

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Temi says, "It may have been the same player."

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Jasmine claims, "At the end of the day, I don't mind indulging someone's RP if it doesn't have that undercurrent of sexuality to it--it's very plausible to play a young character married to an old one in a non-sexual way, but its just that combination of sexual themes and young characters that makes it bad"

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Jasmine claims, "And for the record yeah the banned player was the one bringing their alts in to talk about sexual themes with the order, involving much older men"

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Kinaed says, "That isn't cool. The situation that I'm totally fine with was a noble child character who was ICly saying her parents were looking for a betrothal for her, off screen."

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Edgar states, "We spoke with Staff and the player about it and decidedly cut the scenes short for the sake of sanity, just for clarity that it was resolved in some regard."

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Kinaed says, "And betrothals are perfectly appropriate thematic material for a medieval game."

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Kinaed nods at Edgar.

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Temi claims, "Yeah, there was a betrothal for Ionica relatively recently, to not occur until after she turned 16, which Kin did okay"

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Kinaed states, "Okay, anyway. We're raising the age of consent."

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Jasmine says, "Anyways, a big thank you to staff for taking those concerns seriously. I was very grateful when I initially reported the underaged squick and I'm pleased that we're taking steps to make the game a little less of a welcoming place for such behavior"

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Deedee nods.

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Edgar gives a thumbs up.

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Kinaed states, "I'd also recommend players use consent commands to check if someone they're thinking of flirting with is ICly able to be consented to in the future."

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Kinaed claims, "If you find any bugs with this, let us know."

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Anonymous has returned from AFK.

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Kinaed claims, "If you find any player attempting to engage in flirtation or romantic RP and the code is reporting they're underage - please REPORT it to Staff."

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Kinaed states, "Sometimes people are uncomfortable telling staff, but we can't do anything about it if we don't know."

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Deedee wonders, "Is there a way to set that for retainers?"

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Jasmine claims, "Staff should be able to set ages for retainers custom, yeah"

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Sparkles muses, "Are people flirting with underage retainers a lot?"

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Jasmine states, "I'm not sure consent pings them but you can also tell using the look command their general age"

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Kinaed claims to Deedee, "I didn't even think of retainers, and I don't think the code will do that. I'll have to think about that item."

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Jasmine says, "'They are a young adult' would show for 16-19 year olds, and it will say 'they are an adult in their 20s' when they are older than that"

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Deedee nods at Kinaed.

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Kinaed says, "But I have to admit, at the point in time people are using retainers that way, I'd think it's deliberate circumventing of our mudsex policies, and I think it should definitely be reproted to staff."

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Kinaed nods at Jasmine.

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Edgar says, "Extends to 20 actually, but yeah"

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Kinaed claims, "I might see about updating HELP SCALE as well to show age ranges."

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Dreams claims, "Retainers don't have the age thing on look."

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Dreams states, "I manually put it on mine."

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Violet queries, "There's a different thing it says for under 16, right? Like 'they are a teenager'?"

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Jasmine states, "I've seen NPCs with it but I believe it has to be set"

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Violet asks, "Can that be shifted when the age of consent goes up? So there's a visual difference on look between 'under age of consent/is a child' and 'adult'?"

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say Can we ensure that we can visibly tell someone is under the new age of consent?

Xolorion muses, "Can we ensure that we can visibly tell someone is under the new age of consent?"

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emote nods to Violet.

Xolorion nods to Violet.

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Temi claims, "The messaging might not be distinct enough now, but that was something we were talking about, and we should make it fit with the marriagable age."

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Kinaed nods at Violet.

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Deedee says, "I was thinking it might be nice to be able to opt-out of romance-related RP entirely"

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Jasmine states, "And just as a general reminder I guess, 16 year olds are still teenagers, and they'll physically be teenagers and might not be done growing yet, so don't forget to up their height or update their descriptions as they hit older ages"

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Jasmine states, "Haha, Deedee, you can, just turn everyone down and go ice queen on them"

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Jasmine states, "It's worked marvels for my alt"

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Violet queries, "I recommend putting it on whois, perhaps? Feel like that's underutilized"

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Deedee declares, "That's what I do!"

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Violet says, "Lololol"

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Kinaed claims to Deedee, "You should be able to just by not consenting."

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Dreams states, "Romance RP isn't a requirement."

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Jasmine states, "Start quoting the erra pater at them and advise them to confess"

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Kinaed nods at Violet.

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Kinaed nods at Jasmine.

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Kinaed states, "Okay, anything else anyone wants to discuss? I'd like to say thank you to everyone attending today."

Kinaed claims, "Well, we're at the top of the hour :)"

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Kinaed exclaims, "Thanks everyone for attending this week. We hope to see you next week. Appreciate all of our topics today too!"

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Kinaed pontificates, "Take care!"

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Deedee waves.

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Dreams waves.

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Kinaed trails off, "Retrans in 3..."

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Kinaed claims, "2.."

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Kinaed trails off, "1..."

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