Public Fences

[Famine]

I'm new to the game, so bear with me if there are solutions to this problem.

I find it pretty difficult to make a living off items that may not be mine. This is because there are few options for people who are not apart of a guild to sell them.

You don't allow the selling of items to NPC shop owners, thus we are kind of forced into a narrow path of joining a guild for a fence. If not that, we have to use either the board system or the bounty system (which is not developed for this type of action) to move goods.

Ideally, it would be nice to have more public avenues to move stolen items. Maybe avenues that have to be unearth from discovery or maybe avenues that we have to have faction with in order to open up to the underground. But ideally, something because as it stands, I'm going broke because I cannot seem to find ways to move items for silver or gold.

That or there are ways and the education system (i.e.: help files) are failing me.

[Puciek]

ICly the brotherhood will want to have a word with you if you are moving stolen goods under their nose, which is why most thieves join up. But then what stops you from walking around town and asking people "want to buy a necklace? cheap", or to, well, be the fence yourself and ask shady folk to sell things to you, which then you sell to other players for profit?
It's not an ideal solution, but a very valid icly one. Brotherhood got the benefit of already having the infrastructure for it.

[Famine]

ICly the brotherhood will want to have a word with you if you are moving stolen goods under their nose, which is why most thieves join up. But then what stops you from walking around town and asking people "want to buy a necklace? cheap", or to, well, be the fence yourself and ask shady folk to sell things to you, which then you sell to other players for profit?
It's not an ideal solution, but a very valid icly one. Brotherhood got the benefit of already having the infrastructure for it.

Me becoming a fence is surely a good and fun option.

But, I'm assuming the brotherhood has code support behind their fence (please correct me here if I'm wrong), so why not the rest of us?

The problem with selling face-to-face is that some of us have known faces and it's not as easy to be that fence. That's ideally why the fence exists, it's the middle person who people have trust in. No one has trust in the thief itself.

[Applesauce]

Me becoming a fence is surely a good and fun option.

But, I'm assuming the brotherhood has code support behind their fence (please correct me here if I'm wrong), so why not the rest of us?

The coded fence is just a shop, exactly the same as any other shop, just with a crappy location. There's not really anything stopping you from opening a shop and selling goods that may or may not be yours.

As mentioned, there may be IC stumbling blocks from both Thieves and Reeves, but you could always try to join the Brotherhood, or bribe the Reeves, or work out a tribute/tax deal to either/both guilds, etc. etc. There are always options.

There have also been PC fences throughout the city, at least two that I can think of, probably more I never knew about. Just gotta ask around.

[Gerolf]

As mentioned, there may be IC stumbling blocks from both Thieves and Reeves, but you could always try to join the Brotherhood, or bribe the Reeves, or work out a tribute/tax deal to either/both guilds, etc. etc. There are always options.

The only problem with this is, thanks to a particularly interesting time in TI history where every reeve was dirty, you codely can't duel guild those two. In fact if you have one character on your account that is a Reeve, you can't have a member of the brotherhood.

[Puciek]

As mentioned, there may be IC stumbling blocks from both Thieves and Reeves, but you could always try to join the Brotherhood, or bribe the Reeves, or work out a tribute/tax deal to either/both guilds, etc. etc. There are always options.

The only problem with this is, thanks to a particularly interesting time in TI history where every reeve was dirty, you codely can't duel guild those two. In fact if you have one character on your account that is a Reeve, you can't have a member of the brotherhood.

But you still can deal with PC thieves to fence stuff for you.

[Applesauce]

The only problem with this is, thanks to a particularly interesting time in TI history where every reeve was dirty, you codely can't duel guild those two. In fact if you have one character on your account that is a Reeve, you can't have a member of the brotherhood.

But you still can deal with PC thieves to fence stuff for you.

And the two issues are totally separate, no? You don't have to have a character in either guild (let alone both) to be a fence, or sell to fences, or buy from fences. That's why I said DEAL and BRIBE. Roleplay your way into and out of the situation =)

Edit: I guess one example I did offer was to join the Brotherhood, but that was just one example. If you can't because you have a Reeve alt, then deal and bribe!

[Kinaed]

What's wrong with the bounty system black market for this?

[Applesauce]

What's wrong with the bounty system black market for this?

Nothing =) Another viable option.

We're all agreeing that selling illigimate stuff is a viable path. Just some ways of doing it are easier than others.