Log of OOC Meeting - 2020-11-22

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Kinaed states, "A reminder of the OOC Chat Pact: Regardless of what we discuss, we understand and
truly believe that everyone on TI does the best they can, given what they know at the time, their
skills and abilities, the resources available, and the situation at hand. We will be respectful of
this and each other at all times."

Condensation states, "Logging started."

Kinaed declaims to Condensation, "Thank you!"

Kinaed claims, "Today's Agenda is:

- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics

Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today? If you
register a topic, please pre-write it so you're ready to present it when called upon."

Kuzco says, "I'm good."

Kinaed claims, "Okay, if anyone thinks of anything, please send me a tell or something as we

Condensation nods.

Kinaed has transferred Sparkles. [OOC]

Temi gives a little pewter figure of a lone soldier with shield raised to Sparkles.

Kinaed states, "Alright, last week Staff + Kuzco (as our social media manager) met with a
professional marketing guru who put together a marketing plan with some very actionable items for

Kuzco clears his throat and smiles awkwardly.

Condensation listens with interest.

Kinaed claims, "The first step is to unify the various branding we have all over. Our website +
forums + wiki + twitter + facebook, etc - all have different imagery, branding etc."

Kinaed states, "So we hired a logo designer who will, in the next two months, provide a new logo and
style guide for our websites, etc."

Kinaed has transferred Deedee. [OOC]

Deedee waggles fingers.

Kinaed claims, "We've also discussed with Eos and Salem the possibility of having IC_Events auto
post to our social media and so have some actions around investigating Facebook, Twitter, etc APIs."

Kuzco waves back.

Temi gives a little pewter figure of a lone soldier with shield raised to Deedee.

Condensation envisions imagery of screaming, burning heretics and nods excitedly.

Kinaed says, "As a result of this, I'm changing direction from Turf Wars (which had some problems to
solve that I wasn't making a lot of headway on) to our Player Event Scheduling system so that events
scheduled by players show up on our calendar, MOTD, etc - and can also be pushed to social media."

Deedee states, "Several MUDS post their latest changes to reddit"

Kinaed nods at Deedee.

Anonymous says, "You might get banned from twitter and other places if you post an IC event about a

Anonymous states, "They're a little sensitive"

Deedee grins.

Kinaed says, "I'll make a note that we should include our changelog on the website as we have a
structured way of displaying that as well."

Condensation claims, "Yes- That. Reddit is a lot more open-minded."

Kinaed says, "I'll keep it in mind that we may want to be a bit judicious about what we send where -
thanks for that."

Temi states, "Well, we definitely want to do it to our website."

Temi grins.

Kinaed nods at Temi.

Kinaed says, "We can definitely post IC Events to our website and maybe link Twitter saying
"IC_Event posted!" or something. Our current TI Twitter is just the forum post bot."

Kinaed says, "Anyway, we have some work to do around that, and hopefully it will help our profile a
bit and organic player acquisition, etc."

Eos trails off, "Might be able to filter out pyrings..."

Kinaed nods at Eos.

Sparkles claims, "There's also the ... ah I don't know if we could set it up, but some games have it
so the newbie channel on-game and in Discord can cross post."

Sparkles says, "I don't know if that's something we could set up too."

Eos states, "Oh that sounds really cool."

Temi muses to Kinaed, "Be prepared for some possibilities of player contribution things to help

Kinaed claims to Sparkles, "Thanks, I've jotted that down too"

Kuzco claims, "Good idea, Sparkles"

Deedee muses, "Was it ever fixed so that TI shows up on grapevine?"

Eos says, "Yea i wanted to present that in staff updates, at least what im responsible for"

Condensation states, "I googled 'grapevine the inquisition legacy'- First hit on GOogle."

Kinaed states to Deedee, "I thought I did, but I'll add it to my todo list."

Condensation says, "From Grapvine, yes."

Deedee states, "Yeah it still doesn't by default. they're missing IP/port"

Cat wonders, "What's grapevine?"

Deedee claims, "So doesn't show up under online games"

Eos claims, "Might have to redesign that as well"

Condensation states, "A community site for Muds, Cat."

Cat says, "Okay"

Kinaed wonders, "Okay, I'll have a look today - That's it for me. Eos, want to go next? (Meanwhile,
poking at grapevine really quick)"

Eos claims, "Having some technical difficulties"

Eos states, "So, Salem and me have been making good progress with dual guilding. Also, for purposes
of marketing, I'd love to gather up old logs and write ups of cool happenings - since story telling
is what we're good at. There will be a board post about it"

Eos says, "With details"

Kuzco declares, "Thanks for the hard work!"

Kinaed has transferred Apathy. [OOC]

Temi gives a little pewter figure of a lone soldier with shield raised to Apathy.

Deedee states, "Let me know if there's any specific events and I can search my logs"

Apathy pontificates, "Thanks!"

Eos claims, "Just any events that you think are cool and that could pull people in"

Eos pontificates, "Salem, you go!"

Salem says, "I'm making pretty spaghetti code for dual guilding happen and I will be poking at
facebook and twitter APIs for the website on the side. Also preparing a nice plot for an event in
May with Eos."

Salem asks, "That's all I got. Temi?"

Temi states, "For my update, I did the Daravi battle last weekend, which, pant pant... ended up a
lot more time consuming than expected, but I think everyone had a lot of fun, and I got some great
feedback on how we could improve it if we did that sort of thing again. Would people want to do
that sort of thing again? But anyway, I've pretty much flopped over and not been too useful besides
poking at plots and requests since then."

Apathy says, "Yeah I would like to do it again."

Deedee applauds Temi.

Anonymous says, "I have excel spreadsheet nightmares now"

Condensation asks, "Awww- That was the last of that event? :/"

Temi claims, "Yeah, I'll need to recover long enough to not have excel nightmares myself."

Temi grins.

MAMI says, "I'd like to do it again (well, first time- last weekend didn't work out for me, schedule

MAMI states, "I love Excel nightmares. :)"

Condensation claims, "Feels like it's been many, many years since last I was able to attend an
action-packed and engaging event- Wish I was around, and I'll keep hoping for a next one at some
point. Heh- Oh, and yeah, no worries. I bet that gets massively intense."

Eos claims, "It was an excellent event Temi :)"

Temi claims, "And I think if nothing else, we'd adjust to two hours per update"

Apathy says, "Yeah, it was a lot of fun."

Apathy says, "Two hours per update sounds like it would be easier on y'all."

Eos states, "I heard Norrigs STs are pretty fun, Condensation"

Temi exclaims, "Give folks a little more breathing room. So yeah, I think we will again at some
point! If you have more comments, feel free to give them on the forum post"

Kuzco declares, "I heard that too! Jolly gosh, that Norrig sounds like a fun one!"

Deedee has been meaning to post.

Wimpled claims, "Norrig's stories have been a blast. "

Anonymous says, "Lol kuzco"

Wimpled claims, "Don't tell him, though. "

Deedee has also been meaning to submit recommends.

Anonymous wonders, "Are you running the next section of your ST tomorrow kuzco?"

Cat claims, "Yeah Norrig's ST are amazing."

Kuzco wonders, "Tomorrow at uhhh 3pm server, right?"

Anonymous says, "Thats what was on the thing"

Kuzco claims, "Thank you all =) I think they are going alright."

Kitty states, "Those have been legitimately, really good."

Kinaed says, "Quick update, I *think* I fixed grapevine. Also, yes, heaps of super feedback about
Norrig's STs. :)"

Condensation declaims, "The last one I hadn't even an inkling was happening, and.. oh- gee.. Now I
missed another one :P I'll try sign up for one, though!"

MAMI states, "Sad I haven't been able to make it to them."

Anonymous claims, "I am currently in the process of writing an ST, inspired by norrigs"

Anonymous trails off, "I don't mean that... the plotline is inspired or anything like that"

Anonymous says, "Just being in norrig's ST (at least the first part) got me to start writing one"

Temi states to Anonymous, "Excellent! See folks? Events make for more events."

Temi grins.

Kuzco claims, "Anyone can use the rules I made up, if they wanna"

Kuzco states, "Through testing (and lots of GM experience) I can say I'm satisfied with the results"

Cat finishes his note.

Condensation says, "I could easily turn all my homebrewn GM'ed campaigns (of which I have... way too
many) into TIL events, with some re-writing.."

Kuzco starts writing a note. (This is an OOC action)

Eos exclaims, "Go for it, Condensation!"

Kuzco finishes his note.

Condensation says, "Think I've actually had a few of you here in STs of way back, now that I think
about it.. Mmmh.. I'll put a pin in that thought."

Kuzco says, "Great"

Kuzco says, "I love that"

Temi grins.

Kinaed trails off, "Okay, as I was IAW fixing grapevine..."

Kinaed questions, "Where did we leave off in Staff Updates?"

Kuzco muses, "Eos?"

Kinaed states, "Thanks :)"

Kinaed muses to Temi, "Want to go next?"

Condensation states, "Temi's after-thoughts on her ST."

Cat says, "Eos already said her part."

Temi states, "I think we're done on updates."

Condensation states, ".. which lead us to spin off a bit about STs and potentials."

Temi says, "So heartbeat"

Temi nods.

Kinaed smiles.

Kinaed asks, "Okay! Heartbeat! How was the game for everyone last week, folks?"

Kalana claims, "A little quiet over the weekdays, need to find some RP, I think."

Condensation says, "Been a bit of a tough return. Most of my during-the-week hours have been at
playercount of 1-3."

Kinaed nods at Kalana.

Kinaed comforts Condensation.

Kinaed states, "I appreciate people sticking with it and staying logged in when they can as it
encourages others to pop around."

MAMI claims, "I've had some trouble getting engaged again since coming back, too."

Kuzco says, "It was a good week and I've been preparing for tomorrow"

Kinaed muses to MAMI, "Is it about player count, or something else?"

Cat says, "No one is ever on where rp when I#m on. I have noone to rp with sometimes and that's

Kinaed smiles.

Kinaed states to Kuzco, "That's good to hear."

Kinaed comforts Cat.

Sparkles claims, "It has been a touch quiet but I also haven't been feeling the best this week."

Kuzco asks, "Really Cat?"

Kinaed states, "With luck, this push to advertising will help."

Kinaed comforts Sparkles.

Condensation states, "That said, this new LFRP stuff is really good. I'll try make use of it more as
I settle back in."

Kuzco wonders, "LFRP?"

Apathy says, "I've had pretty solid and enjoyable RP."

MAMI claims to Kinaed, "A few reasons behind it, I think. I"

Kinaed claims, "I don't think I've actually seen anyone using the LFRP stuff."

Condensation exclaims, "Someone did, yesterday!"

Kinaed trails off, "If you type notify RP ..."

MAMI claims to Kinaed, "'ll think it over."

RP Opportunity> Someone is at A Comfortable Room looking for someone to scene with.

Kuzco claims, "Oooohhhhh"

Kinaed says, "Basically it announces to the pbase that someone is looking for RP."

Kalana exclaims, "Ooh, there it is!"

Condensation claims, "You can toggle in and out of it with LFRP."

Kinaed states to MAMI, "Thanks :)"

Kuzco states, "I just turned it on"

Apathy says, "Oh neat."

Kinaed nods at Condensation.

Kinaed muses, "Oh, it's not defaulting on for people?"

RP Opportunity> Someone is at A Comfortable Room looking for someone to scene with.

Cat states, "Yeah. 5 people online no one on where rp except myself. No one reacts to notify rp."

Condensation says, "It was for me."

Kinaed comforts Cat.

Kalana claims, "I haven't seen anyone use it myself. I forgot about it and will have to give it a

Kinaed nods at Kalana.

Kuzco states, "I'll keep it on"

Sparkles states, "Hmm. I have a slight suggestion."

Kinaed states, "Thanks :)"

Kinaed queries to Sparkles, "Yes?"

MAMI claims, "I didn't know about it."

MAMI wonders, "Could you change the motd to include it?"

Sparkles says, "I think one consideration is that elsewhere at least the policy about invite systems
like that is they can't be use as a 'gottem'"

Condensation declaims, "There was already one of those little Tip blurbs about it. The first one I
got, only just after logging back on. Immediately went 'WOW! YES!'"

Kinaed states, "Probably could."

Sparkles claims, "Personally, I think considering such a rule might make people more comfortable
using it."

Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

Kitty says, "We have that rule for invite, already, I thought."

Kinaed checks.

Deedee says, "It was in the motd last month, help oct2020"

Kinaed says, "I think it's not specified anywhere I can see it."

Sparkles trails off, "No ... here specifically it says that invites are 'at your own risk'"

Sparkles claims, "That they can be used to set up PKs or arrests."

Kinaed questions, "Where is that text?"

Sparkles states, "Help invite"

Kinaed claims, "Okay, invite isn't the same thing as notify RP"

Kuzco claims, "Sounds dangerous yeah"

Kuzco says, "It disables certain vectors of information that are there if you approach normally to a

Kinaed says, "But I'll make a note of that for Staff Talking Points to see if we should change it on
the whole. Thank you for the suggestion, Sparkles."

Sparkles claims, "It might not be immediately obvious to folks the two things are different I'm

Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

Condensation claims, "Notify RP is just a game-wide message there's someone actively looking for a
scene. I like it- This way, the rooms which aren't AS obvious as a 'Hey come RP with me'-room get
more chance to actually advertise RP."

Kuzco nods.

Sparkles says, "Particularly given invites also nuke followers/bodyguards."

Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

Kuzco Someone wants to RP in A Dark and Incommunicated Dungeon

Anonymous says, "Oh my"

Anonymous says, "That room name is concerning"

Kinaed claims, "Okay, I've put that on the Staff Talking points :)"

Wimpled says, "Dark Dungeons are the best dungeons."

Kinaed claims, "It's where I go for all my kinky things. *sage nod*"

Anonymous says, "I disagree, I feel that dank dungeons are the best dungeons"

Condensation Dank dungeons > Dark dungeons

Kitty asks, "Would a light dungeon be a dungeon?"

Kuzco states, "There's the Darkest Dungeon"

Kuzco shivers

Condensation claims, "Narrate me that, please"

Kinaed claims, "Dank? Ewe."

Temi states, "And yet for dungeons, one area where you don't necessarily want to be in the best."

Kinaed queries, "Any other thoughts for the heartbeat? Anything shitting anyone that you'd like us
to know about?"

Condensation would love Wayne June announcers for TIL STs..

Kinaed says, "I'll take the silence as a no - we don't have any player topics recorded though."

Kuzco claims, "Hmm I admit I see so little tavern RP I miss it"

Kuzco asks, "Wayne June?"

Kinaed says, "Well, if people are willing to hang out in a tavern and wait for RP, maybe we can give
a low grade XP bonus or something."

Sparkles says, "Maybe I just need to schedule a set time for 'Bard time at the tavern' during the

Kitty states, "Theroetically, one already exists. There's an xp bonus for public RP."

Kinaed wonders, "I know we give a bonus while *in* RP for being in a public place, but it may
encourage epople to idle in public places?"

Condensation claims, "It's the guy voicing the narrator lines in Darkest Dungeon, Kuzco. His voice
is.. very amazing."

Kuzco declares, "Oh yeah!!!"

Anonymous claims, "I never played darkest dungeon"

Anonymous claims, "People call me a fool for not doing so"

Kalana states, "Waiting in public flagged places could be nice to reward"

Kuzco claims, "Ohhh you'd love it"

Condensation says, "Highly recommend it."

Kinaed has transferred Kimaris. [OOC]

Temi gives a little pewter figure of a lone soldier with shield raised to Kimaris.

MAMI claims, "I found Darkest Dungeon stressful."

Kinaed claims, "Noting that down for staff talking points to see how we feel on the whole about
hanging out in open RP areas having a small XP bonus, like 1 rpxp per tick."

Condensation says, "I always 'time' my tavern RP wrongly. I wait around Bear+Boar, and there's
hardly any/no Freeman around. I've yet to see Gentry show up there in years of playing :p"

Anonymous states, "Lol"

Anonymous claims, "Ive never gone there"

Kuzco says, "Pffft I idle in the Palace, pleb"

Anonymous says, "Precisely because its the bera and boar"

Temi states, "It's not a super friendly place for gentry sorts. Intended to be a bit more down to

Condensation says, "Wait. No. I met Mean Mister Astartes there once! (though I mean he was only
gentry-ish because of Knighthood)"

Condensation misses that old salt

Anonymous states, "Hey you guys have the same name coloration"

Anonymous states, "I just realized that"

Kinaed queries, "Anyway, anyone have anything else we want to discuss?"

Cat claims, "I tend to wait at the Queen's for rp, but it never really works out."

Kuzco thinks

Condensation states, "Incidentally, yeah."

Sparkles states, "Hmm. I have something."

Condensation says, "I actually use White into grey, whereas Sparkles goes grey into white, though"

Kinaed states to Sparkles, "Great :) Please introduce us to your topic."

Sparkles states, "If we are going to start advertising for new folks (great idea btw!) I'm wondering
if that shouldn't go ... hand in hand with maybe some streamlined guides on suggestions on how to
potentially set up characters.

Sparkles says, "Just getting into the game can be the first hurdle for folks."

Kinaed says, "It would, and it'd be great if we could get player assistance with writing those."

Kinaed states, "As it is, it's been ages since I've created a character."

Sparkles asks, "Maybe the GLs could brainstorm suggestions for their Guild?"

Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

Kuzco questions, "Maybe a quick chargen that sets you up with a basic set of predetermined stats +

Cat says, "Like recommended builds."

Deedee asks, "We have that already don't we?"

Sparkles asks, "Well I'm just wondering if that couldn't be part of the 'role' stuff but I think you
do that -after- skill selection?"

Kuzco states, "Like, a thug archetype gives you dagger, sneak, pickpocket, and prioritises Dex "

Kinaed says, "We sort of have that, but right now we're focused on making it so covert guild members
can dual guild, so I'm cautious about big code projects."

Kinaed nods at Kuzco.

Kinaed nods at Sparkles.

Kinaed nods at Cat.

Kuzco claims, "But like, a way to actually buy all those things instantly"

Sparkles says, "Yeah that's why I'm wondering if helpfiles/wiki pages could help in the mean time."

Kinaed nods at Kuzco.

Kuzco says, "You choose Thug and you get instantly all the suggestions"

Kinaed says, "I think they could."

Kuzco claims, "You can always change them while cyan"

Anonymous says, "What is this archetype everyones talking about"

Sparkles says, "That's true ... but I've gathered over time some folks get embarassed if they need
to change things after the fact."

Anonymous claims, "I dont remember seeing anything like that"

Cat queries, "Maybe push the weapon selection to after skill adjustment?"

Kuzco says, "I just made it up"

Anonymous states, "Oh"

Kuzco claims, "Like XP bundles for jumping into the game"

Deedee claims, "I think we're supposed to be getting a return to chargen command"

Condensation states, "I think weapons are already selected during your initial character creation."

Kinaed states to Anonymous, "Like if you want to do a thief setup out of the gate. Or a

Condensation says, "Like, if you do the newbie setup these days, it asks you if you want a dagger or
axe etc."

Eos finishes abruptly, "Codewise that might be a bigger project, and there is dual guilding as a
priority - but as a guide its a great idea, to have archetypes. If you guys would write said
archetypes for your guilds, for example - thatd be a great help, I think"

Cat states, "Because sometimes people recide, but can't change the weapon that they already got."

Kinaed nods at Condensation.

Condensation claims, "Punchician. Str + Con + Medicine."

Anonymous claims, "Ha"

Kuzco says to Eos, "Just general guidelines for a guild can work too, like in helpfiles and the
website like Sparkles said"

Anonymous says, "Yeah"

Condensation sagenods

Deedee says, "I dunno. I think most guilds could use a variety of types"

Kinaed nods at Kuzco.

Anonymous claims, "I think I'm the proginetor of the Punchician archetype"

Kuzco states, "Well we had Prisca"

Kinaed says, "If I fell anywhere, at this moment, I'd go with Sparkles' guides idea."

Kuzco rubs his arm in pain memory

Condensation winks.
Condensation appears to be champion at unarmed.

Anonymous wonders, "But was prisca six and a half feet tall and built like a berserker?"

Kinaed claims, "The big pain just being that if you saw the Staff Action Item list, you'd see we're
pretty busy."

Anonymous states, "Yeah yeah we all get it, you dumped 500 silver on the trainers so you can flex on
me with champion"

Kuzco claims, "No which made it worse"

Kinaed says, "So if a player would be willing to volunteer to assist with those guides, it'd be
super helpful."

Kitty states, "Thing is, people coming brand new? They probably won't be breaking the mold right
away. So, I can see the pre-set roles. The older players would be less likely to use them, but that
doesn't mean it's not a good idea for brand newbies."

Kuzco claims, "I can build for reeve and bard I guess, but I'm sure others can/want to help"

Kinaed nods at Kitty.

Condensation states, "I have familiarity with Knights and Merchants, mostly.".

Condensation says, "I can draft something up for certain."

Anonymous says, "I can pretty easily make a physician one. It's not hard, just get medicine and
herbalism and literally anything else you want"

Kinaed claims, "I might make a little video about how to create a character on TI and verbally
explain what's important when creating, etc. as well."

Kinaed exclaims to Condensation, "Thanks!"

Kinaed questions, "Oh, we're five minutes to the top of the hour! Anyone have any closing business
to discuss? Also, thanks for many ideas and suggestions this session, Sparkles :)"

Kuzco says, "Hey hey so"

Condensation declaims, "Thanks Temi for fixing the falconry stuff on such a quick notice!"

Kuzco states, "I want some character artwork, original if possible, for the FB and other media"

Temi declaims to Condensation, "Glad it's working better now!"

Kuzco states, "I did that like a year ago and it went well, I got Marisa and others"

Anonymous claims, "I have a conceptual picture of my character, but its not original"

Kinaed says, "It would be cool to get a character gallery going. :)"

Condensation queries, ".. Do you want the (in)famous Norrig Paint art shared on FB- Is that what I'm

Kuzco says, "Yeah sure I can do it"

Kuzco claims, "BRING IT ON MAN"

Cat states, "My numpad"

Kinaed comforts Cat.

Deedee states, "I'll see if Niamh can draw Delana."

Kinaed says, "Sadly, I have to take my muchkins, who haven't had a haircut since pre-covid, out to
get their hair cut (as their school, which has uniform codes and the like, is jumping up and down
about it all)"

Kinaed grins.

Condensation states, "Niamh is the Champion artist fo' sure"

Kinaed states, "I do adore Niamh's images."

Anonymous claims, "Haircuts, BAH"

Sparkles waves.

Temi grins.

Kuzco states, "Ohhh I can post Jozafat's drawing by Niamh"

Kinaed grins.

Condensation states, "I actually still have that one on my phone."

Deedee claims, "I had a college professor who was crazy about the flowbee"

Cat claims, "I might be able to draw my character."

Anonymous says, "Unless you want a stick figure, I can't draw at all"

Kinaed states, "We should have "Character Portraits by Niamh""

Kuzco says, "But yeah send me stuff through Discord or pboard so I can post it on our media"

Kuzco claims, "People are drawn by that stuff"

Kinaed claims, "Whole new thread to go right next to TI Funny Quotes in the Fanfic, Fanart, etc

Temi grins.

Condensation says, "I always struggle to find look-alikes of my characters."

Kuzco declaims, "A forum thread is best! I think I had one a year ago"

PraiseTheBolt wanders into the vicinity. [login]

Kitty says, "Niamh does the best character portraits."

Condensation says, "Really knows which things to highlight to bring the character alive, she does."

Anonymous claims, "I really want to see her draw my character now"

Anonymous states, "But I dont think thatll happen"

Condensation draws a mountain with a big arm on either side and hands it to Anon.

PraiseTheBolt states, "Accurate enough"

Anonymous states, "True"

Kinaed says, "Okay folks - it's time to wrap up. Thanks for coming this week! I look forward to
seeing everyone next week as well."

Kinaed states, "I'll also let Niamh know people yearn for her art."

MAMI says, "Thanks. :)"

Kinaed winks and waves.

Condensation states, "Alright. Time to edit this log, get started on the guide some. Good night

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