While the global perspective of magery is that they are twisted, tainted and sometimes evil, the truth of this is never as clear-cut -, especially for some mages! They may be troubled what is happening to them, especially after whole life hearing about the taint and the evil that it causes, and now they find themselves to be mages, and not going on an evil-doing spree like were indoctrinated to think will happen. And they seek help, often from one place that knows magery best - the holy order, and especially priests as inquisitors are tasked in rooting them out and have the power to issue arrest for known mages.[ #24 ] General Board
A note has been posted by: Farra
In subject of: Confessing to Magery to a Priest (Edited by Kinaed) (Edited by Nadya) (Edited by Farra) (Edited by Kinaed)
Date : Tue Jan 2 23:43:54 2018
Edited : Wed Jan 3 12:55:22 2018
Expires : Mon Jan 22 23:44:09 2018
To : all
A recent conversation sparked up on visnet that some of us thought required a
clear answer to regarding, specifically, a Davite-mage confessing to Magery
to a priest. One player noted that such a confession would be without
tangible consequence, quoting the sacrosant theology that confession between
a priest and sinner is kept sealed from everyone -- the Inquisition included
-- and that, as a Priest cannot beform a Cleansing-by-Fire, a mage who did
not go to the Inquisition willingly would not, or SHOULD not, be harried by
the Order as that would involve a breach of the privacy of Confession.
My understanding of this is that the Priest would, by the book, instruct --
not simply 'encourage', as Cleansings aren't really seen as an 'optional'
thing for a Faithful Davite -- the sinner to turn themselves into the
Inquisition for a Cleansing by the Fire, which need not be made a public
ceremony but MUST be done to cleanse the tainted soul. Failure by the sinner
to present themselves for their Cleansing would cause the Priest to inform
the Inquisition that the person did not follow through and needs to be
The general idea being that a Davite who confessed to being a mage should
expect no other outcome than the Pyre, ever, whether they go willingly
quickly or make the Inquisition hunt them down. Confession itself is a
sealed act, but the Cleansing is not necessarily so tightly-guarded,
especially when the sinner refuses the proper ritual of cleansing.
Would appreciate the clarification, thanks!
Kinaed Thematically, a priest who discusses a confession with anyone outside
of the confessional has betrayed his oathes. This is in a help file
somewhere. Zealous players have ignored this theme continously for unknown
reasons. Probably because they dislike it.
Farra - This still doesn't really answer the question of how the Order would
handle a Davite who confessed to being a Mage, or some other great sin, but
then did not perform the proper cleansing or approach the Inquisition after
being told to do so by a Priest. From what 'help sins' and 'help cleansing'
seem to imply, confessing to being a mage requires the Cleansing by Fire,
which would not be performed by the ordained priests, while Inquisitors
handle cleansings related to greater sins. Help sins pointedly says that
'known sinners who refuse to repent on their own will often receive a visit
from Church Inquisitors'. I somewhat fail to understand how the proper
chain-of-cleansing would work if a Priest cannot tell an Inquisitor that
'Mary Sue requires a Cleansing by Fire' (the confession itself need not be
discussed, only the further steps required to remove the taint) or how the
Church would retain faith from the population if a Mage confessed in private
to being a Mage, did not on their own go to an Inquisitor, and a few months
later summoned a demon that killed a bunch of people. The idea that a Priest
would let a sin continue unmolested that is, per help file, 'pure evil,
anathema to the Lord' seems .. Not right? And I wonder if there's not some
dissonance between what we're asking and the question being answered!
Kinaed I think the question as presented in follow-up is too
context-dependent for staff to answer. Is best answered by the RP of Order
members in that situation, based on their character perspectives and
Sadly it seems that players like to ignore this important part of the theme where confessions are sacred, for some reasons, which robs the game as a whole of very important RP for priests and mages alike. While I understand that it's easy to then say "but it's a mage, my PC will always root out a mage" or "yes, he broke the holy promise but he did it to root out a mage, no need to put consequences again him" but that should not be done lightly. As instead of driving a story, where that priest may try to talk the mage into surrendering to the order or even turning onto other mages, it ends it with a quick warrant, which while sure is a nice "win", I think stories is what we are after, for the most part. Heck, it can even go the other way around, where mage will manage to turn a godly priest into a mage sympathiser, it sure happened before! But for that to happen, there must be a line of communications between priests and mages, one without first sentence being "IF YOU TELL ANYONE I WILL KILL YOU".