Noble Wealth

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Puciek
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:06 pm

I would actually like to expand on the noble word and why it's so strong and important for players, not just noble ones, to understand.

TI is in times of very strong classicism. We have our freemen, who are a bunch of no ones, gentry who are no ones with money who dream to be someone's, and then we have our betters - the nobility. Nobles are people who were born into, privilege, who were given all the opportunities that people from the other classes generally cannot even dream off (with exceptions of course, especially amongst gentry). Like they would receive training from the best specialists in any area they want. They would never have to waste time on work, instead, can just pursuit their (family) interests. They would never have to deal with law treating them badly, or anyone besides other nobility treating them badly. Heck, they never even hard to starve, or know hunger. And if someone pisses them off along the way, all they have to do is give an order for that somebody to... well, give them time rethink their insolence.

By all measures and as far as population knows - nobles ARE better than the rest of us. Not jokingly called better, but actually better because of all the advantages in life they have had. And being a better in times of classicism means that if a freemen were to oppose a noble who wants him lashed for literally nothing likely result of that would be for the reeve to add even more lashes for daring to speak against your better. The idea of nobles being better than the rest of us is something well ingrained into almost every freeman and most gentry's mind from birth, and there are whip and other forms of punishment for those who forget.
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:37 pm

And if Justiciar refuses to follow on an order from a noble to get someone whipped, write to the Queen or whoever oversees the Reeves NPC-wise.
I was under the perhaps misguided impression that the point of the new Seneschal position was staff sort of wanting to take a step back from handling those sorts of problems for people in this manner. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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Andruid
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Thematically, I think the Justiciar kinda has to obey, even if he/she doesn't like it, but as far as recourse should they refuse... I honestly don't know. I though the Seneschal's role was more about "guiding" the city via the Council, not enforcing the nobility's wishes, but there was talk of strengthening the authoritative oomph of the role. Might be worth asking for clarification on at the next OOC meeting. Or in the Seneschal's helpifle.

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Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:34 pm

The point of the Seneschal position was Caitrin coming of age and not wanting to have to constantly run an NPC for court to properly function, far as I know.

As for Justiciar, they don't really answer to the Seneschal but they would respect a request from them. It would behoove them to see punishment inacted if a Nobleman required it as well.

I'm not entirely sure if they're obligated to dole out a lashing if they feel the nobleman is being frivolous but it would be a very bad idea politically.

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Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:14 pm

I think we need to drift our back to the actual topic at hand, versus continuing on the topic of the supposed clout Nobility have. That clout, whether or not it exists, does not address the issue that this topic was raised to make.
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Kinaed
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:16 am

My view on this - and I know it won't be popular, but such is life - is that players who apply for a noble character are not entitled to the Rolls Royce of nobles.

Nobles are deliberately given the basics to fulfill the bottom rungs of the role and given room to grow. In short, I don't think players should resent buying things with XP. The system is designed for people to buy things with XP. If a player has earned the XP, then they can buy all of the money they want, better assets, yadda yadda. If they haven't, the system deems it that they haven't earned the privilege.

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